Mame 4" rule

Paul Williams · 04-03-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by treebeard55

I believe that in regard to a cascade, you count the vertical distance between the highest and lowest points of the tree. (One of which will be above the soil line, the other below.)

Hi Treebeard
Well that's an interesting thought, and one that had never crossed my mind. It does make a lot of sence. As to the pots I have looked and found one semi cascade and that's it. If you happen to run across a supply please let me know.
Good growing
Paul

treebeard55 · 04-04-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Williams

... If you happen to run across a supply please let me know.

Hi, Paul,

I haven't checked this out yet, but if I were you I'd try Brussel's, and Bonsai by the Monastery (I think that's the name.) Those for starters, anyway.

Prowler · 04-04-2008, 04:20 PM

The thing is, if we are speaking about a mame even a full blown cascade has rules. If you think about it, the tree could be in a 2gall. pot and touching the ground, that aint no Mame, more info. is needed about this. Cheers.

AlainK · 04-04-2008, 05:02 PM

By the way,

I'm always interested in rules and regulations, just for the sake of it, but frankly :

Do you really care if your bonsai is 5 inches and 132nd of an inch instead of less than 5 inches and 128th of an inch?...

Do you value the norm more than the aesthetics?...

Will you get a prize/medal/reward/promotion if you abide to the "4 inches rule" ?...

Come on, show us your tree: if it's bad, we won't say it's bad because we'tre civilized people, if it's good, what the heck if it doesn't fit into a "norm"?...

Prowler · 04-04-2008, 05:38 PM

Alain
I have broken every rule you could think of about a tree.
But, we should think of younger people that are just getting into the hobby?
They need to know the rules, or else it would turn into a disaster, i am not saying you are an old geezer like me,

but i just please myself, i have nothing to prove to anybody, if they aint happy? at least my trees and me are. Cheers.

Paul Williams · 04-04-2008, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlainK

By the way,

I'm always interested in rules and regulations, just for the sake of it, me too but frankly :

Do you really care if your bonsai is 5 inches and 132nd of an inch instead of less than 5 inches and 128th of an inch?... Nope

Do you value the norm more than the aesthetics?... Nope

Will you get a prize/medal/reward/promotion if you abide to the "4 inches rule" ?... Not for that alone but i do need to know what the rules are.

Come on, show us your tree: if it's bad, we won't say it's bad because we'tre civilized people, if it's good, what the heck if it doesn't fit into a "norm"?...At this point there is no "tree" but I have some stock that may become one

BTW prowler I too am a old geezer (this is my last year in the 60's)

and like you " i have nothing to prove to anybody, if they aint happy? at least my trees and me are."
My only intention is to find out what the guidelines are and do my best to follow the "rules".

to me this is a very cloudy issue and I need to get my mind around it. Also I do enjoy talking with some others who are also into Bonsai, this sight just full of "civilized people" and this is why I am here.
Good growing
Paul

centaura · 04-05-2008, 09:56 AM

The best source of bonsai pots that I know is Bonsai by the Monastery - www.bonsaimonk.com . Unfortunately, they don't have all their pots on their online store, and a trip to them is the best bet. They are just outside Atlanta, GA. Other than that, I'd try a local bonsai show that had vendors coming. The Bonsai Societies of Florida seem to be an active group and might be able to help you out with some more local sources.

As for the height - I do believe that Treebeard is correct, its the measurement from the lowest point to the highest point. I'm not at home, or I'd look up my notes from a shohin lecture I attended last summer at the ABS seminar. I think they mentioned it there.

-Centaura

Paul Williams · 04-05-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by centaura

The best source of bonsai pots that I know is Bonsai by the Monastery - www.bonsaimonk.com . Unfortunately, they don't have all their pots on their online store, and a trip to them is the best bet. They are just outside Atlanta, GA. Other than that, I'd try a local bonsai show that had vendors coming. The Bonsai Societies of Florida seem to be an active group and might be able to help you out with some more local sources.

As for the height - I do believe that Treebeard is correct, its the measurement from the lowest point to the highest point. I'm not at home, or I'd look up my notes from a shohin lecture I attended last summer at the ABS seminar. I think they mentioned it there.

-Centaura

Hi Centaura
Thanks for your input! Yep Bonsaimonk has a lot of stuff, and yes they don't have it all online for whatever reason. I was there twice on my way back from visiting at Indy. But I didn't see any Mame pots. I think I'll drop them an email and ask about this, as I think they have an off sight warehouse.
Good growing
Paul

centaura · 04-05-2008, 11:03 PM

I had to laugh when I read your reply, though it wasn't at you. I found there some 1/2" pots and 3/4" pots that I had seen no where else, and thought that their collection of mame pots was larger than I had ever seen. But, I also know that they get huge shipments in and they often run out of things that they'll be out of until the next shipment comes in. They had few 'larger' mame pots when I visited (the size that you'd be looking for for a 4" cascade), and were explaining to me that they were waiting for another shipment to get in. Try to get your hands on their print catalog - I do know that they had every size imaginable in there in every style.

There is also Plant City Bonsai outside of Atlanta in Clermont, but I haven't gotten to them yet to see what they had. Atlanta is only three hours south of my mother's new house, so I should have the chance to check them out some time in the future.

-Centaura

Paul Williams · 04-06-2008, 06:13 PM

Hi all
Wow, I just came back from a visit to Bonsaimonk’s web page, and I couldn’t have been wronger

(is that a word). To all you who have been telling to look there thanks.

They have a plethora of Mame pots, I bought six, that will keep me in pots for a while! I don't know how I missed them before. Anyway thanks for the tip.
Good growing
Paul

04-04-2008, 04:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
Prowler Deceased: 11/24/2008 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 361	The thing is, if we are speaking about a mame even a full blown cascade has rules. If you think about it, the tree could be in a 2gall. pot and touching the ground, that aint no Mame, more info. is needed about this. Cheers. __________________ Its hell out there, give them hell back.

04-04-2008, 05:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
AlainK Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Orléans, France Posts: 187	By the way, I'm always interested in rules and regulations, just for the sake of it, but frankly : Do you really care if your bonsai is 5 inches and 132nd of an inch instead of less than 5 inches and 128th of an inch?... Do you value the norm more than the aesthetics?... Will you get a prize/medal/reward/promotion if you abide to the "4 inches rule" ?... Come on, show us your tree: if it's bad, we won't say it's bad because we'tre civilized people, if it's good, what the heck if it doesn't fit into a "norm"?... __________________ Alain K. http://www.rdb45.fr http://ak2.apinc.org/bdB

04-04-2008, 05:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
Prowler Deceased: 11/24/2008 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 361	Alain I have broken every rule you could think of about a tree. But, we should think of younger people that are just getting into the hobby? They need to know the rules, or else it would turn into a disaster, i am not saying you are an old geezer like me, but i just please myself, i have nothing to prove to anybody, if they aint happy? at least my trees and me are. Cheers. __________________ Its hell out there, give them hell back.

04-06-2008, 06:13 PM	#20 (permalink)
Paul Williams Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Mid Florida Posts: 111	Rules Hi all Wow, I just came back from a visit to Bonsaimonk’s web page, and I couldn’t have been wronger (is that a word). To all you who have been telling to look there thanks. They have a plethora of Mame pots, I bought six, that will keep me in pots for a while! I don't know how I missed them before. Anyway thanks for the tip. Good growing Paul

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04-05-2008, 09:56 AM	#17 (permalink)
centaura Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 334	The best source of bonsai pots that I know is Bonsai by the Monastery - www.bonsaimonk.com . Unfortunately, they don't have all their pots on their online store, and a trip to them is the best bet. They are just outside Atlanta, GA. Other than that, I'd try a local bonsai show that had vendors coming. The Bonsai Societies of Florida seem to be an active group and might be able to help you out with some more local sources. As for the height - I do believe that Treebeard is correct, its the measurement from the lowest point to the highest point. I'm not at home, or I'd look up my notes from a shohin lecture I attended last summer at the ABS seminar. I think they mentioned it there. -Centaura

04-05-2008, 11:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
centaura Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 334	I had to laugh when I read your reply, though it wasn't at you. I found there some 1/2" pots and 3/4" pots that I had seen no where else, and thought that their collection of mame pots was larger than I had ever seen. But, I also know that they get huge shipments in and they often run out of things that they'll be out of until the next shipment comes in. They had few 'larger' mame pots when I visited (the size that you'd be looking for for a 4" cascade), and were explaining to me that they were waiting for another shipment to get in. Try to get your hands on their print catalog - I do know that they had every size imaginable in there in every style. There is also Plant City Bonsai outside of Atlanta in Clermont, but I haven't gotten to them yet to see what they had. Atlanta is only three hours south of my mother's new house, so I should have the chance to check them out some time in the future. -Centaura

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