Amur maple, progression to date

noissee · 09-24-2009, 01:38 PM

I drew something for you. it's crude, but I think it makes my point. Just think clouds instead of pads. In leaf, you will not really be able to see the branch structure as I have drawn it, but this is a rough outline of the branch structure in winter so you can see both. Also, this is a VERY two-dimensional drawing. Dont grow a two-dimensional tree.
Have you read the acer Palmatum "advanced techniques" at bonsai4me? great article.

Ravenna · 09-24-2009, 03:44 PM

Hi,

I agree that looks much more like a deciduous tree and is a better way to start. I don't think that you have to keep the canopy completely closed though. I don't know whether you know the book by Peter Adams on Maples. There are some nice examples of deciduous trees.

noissee · 09-24-2009, 09:54 PM

You're right, good matured canopies can have "bird flight holes" (for lack of a better term). I'm not that good of an artist, however. I really like this one: www.internationalbonsai.com/page/1471691 It's the shishigashira, 6th picture down.

I have actually been wanting to get that maple book for about a year or so. Is it worth it?

Ravenna · 09-25-2009, 02:43 AM

Hi,

for some reason I couldn't see the pics on the site you gave. :-( As far as the book by Peter Adams is concerned it is one of my favourites so if you are interested in maples it is good book to get.

Ravenna · 09-25-2009, 02:48 AM

P.S.: Just remembered: I wrote a book review on that book ages ago here on the site so may be go and have a look under "articles".

noissee · 09-25-2009, 09:28 AM

cool I'll check it out

treebeard55 · 09-26-2009, 04:19 PM

Thanks for the thoughts, Nick and Ravenna. I'm developing another virt, trying to use it to explore the possibilities.

By the way, my 9-year-old (nmoor1) has offered me "all my money" for this tree. I told her I want to keep it, but we'll look for a Japanese maple for her.

treebeard55 · 09-26-2009, 08:15 PM

Here's my latest virtual. Thoughts are still developing ...

JLDoggett · 09-27-2009, 12:35 AM

Much better, Treebeard.

Ravenna · 09-27-2009, 06:44 PM

Hi Treebeard,

I agree with Jim. Just a thought: the lowest branch should be the strongest (as it is in theory at least) the oldest. I guess I would try to use the left branch as first branch as it is nicely place on the outer curb of the trunk. Prune it so it doesn't go straight up but get some back budding and move it down. Remove the right lowest branch and get the next one up to move downwards too... It would make the tree look more mature and be more in keeping with the second left branch from below which is much more horizontal than the branch underneath it... It might be worthwhile having the gaps on the left hand side.

Just some ideas to play with

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09-24-2009, 03:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ravenna Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Switzerland Posts: 204	Hi, I agree that looks much more like a deciduous tree and is a better way to start. I don't think that you have to keep the canopy completely closed though. I don't know whether you know the book by Peter Adams on Maples. There are some nice examples of deciduous trees.

09-24-2009, 09:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
noissee Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: florida panhandle Posts: 206	You're right, good matured canopies can have "bird flight holes" (for lack of a better term). I'm not that good of an artist, however. I really like this one: www.internationalbonsai.com/page/1471691 It's the shishigashira, 6th picture down. I have actually been wanting to get that maple book for about a year or so. Is it worth it?

09-25-2009, 02:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
Ravenna Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Switzerland Posts: 204	Hi, for some reason I couldn't see the pics on the site you gave. :-( As far as the book by Peter Adams is concerned it is one of my favourites so if you are interested in maples it is good book to get.

09-25-2009, 02:48 AM	#15 (permalink)
Ravenna Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Switzerland Posts: 204	P.S.: Just remembered: I wrote a book review on that book ages ago here on the site so may be go and have a look under "articles".

09-25-2009, 09:28 AM	#16 (permalink)
noissee Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: florida panhandle Posts: 206	cool I'll check it out

09-27-2009, 06:44 PM	#20 (permalink)
Ravenna Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Switzerland Posts: 204	Hi Treebeard, I agree with Jim. Just a thought: the lowest branch should be the strongest (as it is in theory at least) the oldest. I guess I would try to use the left branch as first branch as it is nicely place on the outer curb of the trunk. Prune it so it doesn't go straight up but get some back budding and move it down. Remove the right lowest branch and get the next one up to move downwards too... It would make the tree look more mature and be more in keeping with the second left branch from below which is much more horizontal than the branch underneath it... It might be worthwhile having the gaps on the left hand side. Just some ideas to play with

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