chriscc63

I would love to do this with apples also and I have been collecting seeds from just regular delicious apples for this spring planting. What apples do you have? were they something special? Glad to hear you have had luck with pines, I havent.

I have two wisteria I am training but still need several years to go for that and a few of your standard chinease maples but they are the green trunk kind and cant really do anything with them. I may pull them.

I love the garden but I live in the Bronx (NY) and I literally have 18' x 18' of garden. so anything I plant has to be for a reason. I wish I could put 100 seedlings off to the side somewhere for a few years, but dont have the room.

noissee

I think you may mean Japanese Maples, but the trunk will turn grey as it gets older. Don't pull them up.

JLDoggett

I have several varieties of apple; Bloodseed, Pippin and Winesap. All are older varieties. As they mature I will choose a couple of each to plant in a small orchard and the others will eventually be bonsai.

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chriscc63

Noisse: I meant Japanese Maples, I'm a dope sometimes.
so you think I should leave them in and see what happens?

I specifically chose tridents maples because they turn red in fall and supposedly have small leaves. Do I have to train them to have smaller leaves?

JLD: I assume you chose those apples because they are the dwarf variety? and when you say "older" you mean less hybrid or more purebred / natural. Is that what it means?

Thanks

JLDoggett

yes, these are not hybred varities, they are all considered natural sports.

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chriscc63

Intersting. I am now in persuit of Bloodseed, Pippin and Winesap seeds.

If they are good enough for JLD they are good enough for me!

JLDoggett

Good luck finding true seeds, I am not sure if they are available. My saplings were from cuttings. Water sprites that sprouted from the trunks of the trees were first allowed to grow long enough to reach the ground. In the fall they are then bent down and pinned into the earth with the tips (about 8-inches tall) pointed up. After a year they will have rooted (hopefully) and can be seperated in early spring and transplanted.

I have seen heirloom varieties available on the web, you might want to try your county extention office.

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chriscc63

you sqaushed my dreams.

I am familar w/ water sprits and the methood you used, and man that must have been a lot of work getting them.

So there are no sees available on the net. Thats a shame.

"county extention office"?

JLDoggett

Sorry to burst your bubble. Most apple seeds do not breed-true. Most commercially available trees are grafts using old cultivar roots and known cultivar scions. Most varietals were origionally sports. My trees are part of my rebuilding of a very old orchard. To get the old varieties this is the best way to know what you plant is what you will get, but even then there is no guarentee. My saplings could turn out to be rogue, throwbacks or even fruitless. I will not know until they have matured enough to produce flowers and eventually fruit.

County Extentions Services are available in most states. They are part of your county's agriculture department. They should be listed in your phone book under "County". Call them and ask about heirloom apples that may be available in the spring.

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chriscc63

Never thought of it like that and sounds like your right.

We are going apple picking next week maybe I should bring a shovel and just dig up a rouge tree, lol