thanks noisse
I agree with everything you said. These saplings started out in good top soil but that was maybe 2-3 years now outside so thats all washed away and replaced with just dirt.
I have heard of the 6:1 ratio but hadn't even though to apply it here since they are more like 30 : 1 now.
I have heard of people doing a chop now to promote lower branch growth and pinch backs to keep leaves small, but I am not sure if either of these would apply.
My theory was that if I grew them in a reasonably sized pot it would control there growth without stunting its growth, but I guess thats a fine line.
So you think I should sit on them for a few more years, but wouldn't they be like 6' tall by then?
thanks Chris
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